Ryan Wilson: Two points is two points Two points is two points

First.

I think that game actually gets the Pens 4 points, since the Caps blew it last night.

Also, shouldn't it be "Two points ARE two points"?

"The best spot for him is to be on his off wing being able to seamlessly move between the right circle and the right post. This should be blatantly obvious and not doing this is a case of overthinking things for the sake of overthinking things."

Ryan I think that I and some of your other readers would appreciate you stating your opinions as opinions and not as absolute unquestionable facts.

Marino is the real deal. His ability to effectively attack players on zone entries, causing turnovers, and his ability to skate with the puck out of danger is something missing on the back end. Shot share be damned right now, the kid is going to be good and a starter for this team full time by Christmas.

Being smart and working hard as we saw last night can succeed in the NHL. Let’s hope the Pens can continue in this manner and not try to outscore/outskill every team as they have done for the past 35 years. This is especially true given the injuries and the age of the core.

I posted this in one of the final comments of the last blog:


So last night if you add the normal scoring chances and the high danger changes together for each team the chances were 33-33. Are HDSC's a matter of opinion to the person tracking them? I ask because I could of swore Sids line had 3 or 4 alone in the 3rd, yet the tracking is saying the Pens only had 5 HDSC the entire game. I dont agree with that...and I missed a huge chunk of the 1st.

Ryan I think that I and some of your other readers would appreciate you stating your opinions as opinions and not as absolute unquestionable facts.
- Coburns_Nose

HA! Good luck with that! He also doesn't actually read any of the forum posts or engages with anyone like James Tanner does. He probably thinks he is some sort of a demigod that we all worship.

I posted this in one of the final comments of the last blog:


So last night if you add the normal scoring chances and the high danger changes together for each team the chances were 33-33. Are HDSC's a matter of opinion to the person tracking them? I ask because I could of swore Sids line had 3 or 4 alone in the 3rd, yet the tracking is saying the Pens only had 5 HDSC the entire game. I dont agree with that...and I missed a huge chunk of the 1st.
- MattStrat

I’d you’re referring to natural stat trick, it’s all location based. The data is scrubbed off of the nhl.com data, it’s not manually tracked.

I’d you’re referring to natural stat trick, it’s all location based. The data is scrubbed off of the nhl.com data, it’s not manually tracked.


- j.boyd919

The NHL data is manually tracked though, no? I dont think that site can be totally trusted as definite. Perhaps when looking at season or a large group of games averages for a player or team, but one game here and there I think there's going to be discrepancies.

I also think that RW only watched highlights and used that site for last nights game.

It didn't hurt that the officials helped with the penalty calling either.

The NHL data is manually tracked though, no? I dont think that site can be totally trusted as definite. Perhaps when looking at season or a large group of games averages for a player or team, but one game here and there I think there's going to be discrepancies.

I also think that RW only watched highlights and used that site for last nights game.
- MattStrat

Yeah the data from NHL.com is tracked by the people working in the press box each game. But they don’t designate shots as SCs or HDs. That’s just the formula NST does. They’re all shots or misses to NHL.com. When I was working at the Lightning, I asked some guys in the NHL truck how they come up with their “scoring chances” stats during intermissions, they told me “I dunno, we just make them up.” Lol

Edit: yeah I mean I’ve seen some egregious errors via NHL stat trackers. All the guys here in Tampa are all like 60-70 years old. Pretty sure they’re rocking binoculars from the press box. But I think over the course of the season it all comes out in the wash.

It didn't hurt that the officials helped with the penalty calling either.
- ducks31

It’s because Bettman wants Sid to win.

Yeah the data from NHL.com is tracked by the people working in the press box each game. But they don’t designate shots as SCs or HDs. That’s just the formula NST does. They’re all shots or misses to NHL.com. When I was working at the Lightning, I asked some guys in the NHL truck how they come up with their “scoring chances” stats during intermissions, they told me “I dunno, we just make them up.” Lol

Edit: yeah I mean I’ve seen some egregious errors via NHL stat trackers. All the guys here in Tampa are all like 60-70 years old. Pretty sure they’re rocking binoculars from the press box. But I think over the course of the season it all comes out in the wash.
- j.boyd919

If a player attempts to pass a puck, but it deflects off of a defenseman's skate and goes into the opposition net, does that count as a shot attempt?

It’s because Bettman wants Sid to win.
- Rinosaur

Don't you drag Uncle Gary into this.

Yeah the data from NHL.com is tracked by the people working in the press box each game. But they don’t designate shots as SCs or HDs. That’s just the formula NST does. They’re all shots or misses to NHL.com. When I was working at the Lightning, I asked some guys in the NHL truck how they come up with their “scoring chances” stats during intermissions, they told me “I dunno, we just make them up.” Lol

Edit: yeah I mean I’ve seen some egregious errors via NHL stat trackers. All the guys here in Tampa are all like 60-70 years old. Pretty sure they’re rocking binoculars from the press box. But I think over the course of the season it all comes out in the wash.
- j.boyd919

hahaha....yeah theres bound to be errors and discrepancies with those factors. I just cant help but feel the Pens were a bit better last night than that site is indicating. Was it an all world top notch performance by the team as a whole last night? fvck no, but I dont think it was near as bad as the way RW is discussing it.

hahaha this is funny....if you're not a Leafs fan


https://www.bardown.com/t...XombrRYlPQTwpiBkQXRjMoPJ4

If a player attempts to pass a puck, but it deflects off of a defenseman's skate and goes into the opposition net, does that count as a shot attempt?
- jmatchett383

That’s a decision for the 65 year old men working as scorekeepers around the NHL.

Is there anywhere that tracks the number of odd-man rushes a team has and gives up?

Is there anywhere that tracks the number of odd-man rushes a team has and gives up?
- Rinosaur

I was hoping there was in the summer because I felt the Pens would be near the top of ones gave up last season....no ones seems to track it....which I find strange. Pretty easy thing to track.

Is there anywhere that tracks the number of odd-man rushes a team has and gives up?
- Rinosaur

Not sure but Yohe has said that quote a few times where the Pens were first in odd man rushes against last year. I dunno where he gets the data from though.

If a player attempts to pass a puck, but it deflects off of a defenseman's skate and goes into the opposition net, does that count as a shot attempt?
- jmatchett383

It would make sense not to, considering it wasn't directed on net.

Not sure but Yohe has said that quote a few times where the Pens were first in odd man rushes against last year. I dunno where he gets the data from though.
- j.boyd919

This is the kind of stuff I find more valuable. I'd also like to see a stat that shows what lines get hemmed in the most. I mean, I guess that's really just someone timing player in their zones lol

I'm still very much a novice when it comes to stats and I honestly probably only understand about half of all the stats available. I don't know what half the abbreviations even mean, but for me I like stats that focus on the quality of play and transition game.

Yeah, possession and attempts are nice, but something that tells me how good a player or line is together is how much time do they actually spend in their own zone or the other team's zone.

Last night and most of last season the Pens were a one-and-done type of team in terms of the chances they created. They didn't spend a lot of time in the other team's zone, but they would get hemmed in their own zone for long periods of time like last night.

I'm sure you can make an argument on how that's irrelevant, but to me that tells me what individual players, d-pairs or lines work better with each other in certain zones. This helps you make more informed decisions on who to put out there in different game situations.

Leave it to RW to sh!t all over a solid win.

I posted this in one of the final comments of the last blog:


So last night if you add the normal scoring chances and the high danger changes together for each team the chances were 33-33. Are HDSC's a matter of opinion to the person tracking them? I ask because I could of swore Sids line had 3 or 4 alone in the 3rd, yet the tracking is saying the Pens only had 5 HDSC the entire game. I dont agree with that...and I missed a huge chunk of the 1st.
- MattStrat

From what Ive heard from different arenas the definition from the stats keepers even changes. I tried to count last night as I thought the winnipeg game was off as well and from my understanding of the actual "definition" I counted the pens having at least 9 HDSC's. Very well could have missed a couple. I think its pretty clear just from memory and highlights it was definitely more then 5 though haha

Leave it to RW to sh!t all over a solid win.
- Murphy_Dump

He's not wrong. It was not a solid win. Did the Pens play bad? No, but did they play really well? No. Now, we'd all like to see the Pens dominate in every win, but that won't always be the case.

We have to expect most wins right now are going to be ugly and boring, but that doesn't mean the Pens should be a sieve. They can play simple in both ends of the ice and try to limit the quality chances against.